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13 Feb 2009
kooltidings | I think it suits a lot of the establishment to have this rubbish on all the time, it turn all brains into mush and makes it very difficult to put topics into perspectives, what is 'reality' and what does not matter.
You probably recall the big scandal over Strictly Come Dancing at Christmas, When watching the news you had Zimbabwe, OK coverage as usual but huge spread to wonder if SCD had been fixed. Don't get me wrong I love SCD but I don't care whether it was fixed or not. I can make the difference between what matters or not. but I am an experience grown up adult.
A lot of it do fall down to education too, look at the choice of subjects for GCSE, why are History or Citizenship compulory core subject?
Kids cannot think so cannot analyse, have no social skills, can't cook, or interact. We must all watch kids in the street at time and wonder ' they're going to run the country in 20 years time...'
It is becoming more difficult to make the difference between facts and reality, right or wrong and the social gaps is become much wider between the have and have not.
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13 Feb 2009
CoralBloom | I've no idea what the answer to this is.
TV is here to stay. That is a good thing, but the quality is not. Controlling that is a can of worms.
I am now so disgusted at how kids are raised in this country I look forward to the day we see parents in court for negelect - refusing them to take risks, stops learning, and with no learning, they will never become capable adults. Let them walk to school, or get the bus. Wrapping them in cotton wool, in a car to the school gates is just awful.
My mum took me to school for the first month. After that, there were no parents near the school. Oh, the shame that would have caused us! The older kids kept an eye on the younger ones.
Aged 13 (2 years ago), my nieces cookery class instructions for her parents were:
Please prepare the salad vegetables for you child.
Please remove the tuna from the tin and place in a plastic container for you child.
We would recommend that you cut the vegeatbles and open the tin, to protect your child from the potential harm represented by dangerous kitchen equipment.
We need to knock this on the head, so anyone with a kid, can I ask you kid to sue for neglect of duty?
I do not see any other way of stopping this.
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15 Feb 2009
Jericoa | I think this 'media' forum is probably more important than initially seems.
It really goes right to the root of 'what we are' . There is some kind of identity crisis going on in humanity which is reflected in the content of the media.
We really need to understand what we are so that we can use and enjoy the freedom and technology we have with responsibility without the addditional baggage that comes from traditional religious controls, which are in decline / losing credibility generally.
Where there is no vision the people perish' (Old testament I think).
The lack of a broader vision is causing us to default to our basic instincts. Hence a great deal of the mass media has become focused on titilation of our base line instincts. 24 hour shopping channel, casino TV, online gaming, the explosion in pornography, drug use and alcohol abuse, stylised violence etc.
You can not blame the media as such, they need a vision to sell. they do not have one at the moment, hence they have to become more and more shocking to keep stimulating our base line instincts.
This leads to the primed powder keg situation where technologically we are racing ahead but 'culturally' we are bypassing religion and racing back to a pre-civilisation 'stone age' as fast as we can.
I am not sure if there is any proceedural control for this anymore, it is probably too late for mass censorship, we just need to 'grow up' a bit collectively.
At the moment our technology is way ahead of our understanding of what we are.
Jericoa
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15 Feb 2009
CoralBloom | I sometimes think I would love to see a decent 'fashion trend' but that wouldn't last.
I don't see away, not without massive taxation on advertising. Every advert for junk food has to pay the equivalent total cost for 5 fruit and veg ads!. But of course the great and the good would balk at being taxed out of business.
Until the guys with the money 'get it' then society won't.
Media is the key, but can the media take on their own bosses? No
Can younger, newer media orgs win the battle for dominance?
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15 Feb 2009
kooltidings | "At the moment our technology is way ahead of our understanding of what we are"
I think that the issue with this is actually the speed at which information/misinformation is spread and this is where some of the danger may lie
It can be seen I think when looking at RP's blogs, the posts look like arguments (as in having an argument not trying to argue a point) Over the HBOS situation, news items replayed RP 'extraordinary scoop' over and over again. Realistically the follow up to the story, bad results etc whilst nad, is not entirely surprising. However reactions were like if it came out or the blue. The manipulation when conveying the messages across is the most dangerous thing to my mind
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15 Feb 2009
Jericoa | The news should not be 'sensationalised'. I think the BBC have lost their way, they seem to feel duty bound to 'compete' with commercial channels, which is totally backwards really.
They shouyld be the standard bearere of quality, popular or not, but they are too afriad of losing thioer monopoly if they do not have the audience figures.
Not good.
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16 Feb 2009
kooltidings | BBC certainly seem to have lost it I agree.
When it all settles down they will need to take a long hard look as to how they have handled the whole situation
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16 Feb 2009
bobajob | I feel we need to air debating programs like "The Big Questions" that is broadcast at 10am on Sundays, more in weekday slots like 8pm. The people speaking on these shows are mostly not politicians, but experts or people with hard experience of the issues.
It would be interesting as well if viewers could vote one way or the other by phone, and the results analysed and presented 1hr later for 5 mins. This would give an idea of the balance of opinion after the arguments on something, around the country. It would get more people talking about these things.
It would also help people feel they have been involved in expressing their views on serious matters. This is similar to a blog but not everyone blogs, and it would give more people a bit of extra say, like a series of mini referenda. It could be very interesting. The privacy policy would have to ensure that peoples' votes were only stored aggregated and not traceable to an individual.
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16 Feb 2009
CoralBloom | bobajob
My immediate response is: well there goes my vote! How much the price of a phonecall = democracy=profit making.
That means folk like me will be disenfranchised. I have no pennies for phonecalls. Every phonecall I make is relatively expensive. £60 a week only stretches so far.
And it would be fixed, ala Blue Peter!
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16 Feb 2009
OldNick666 | Maybe we should move away from everything being aimed at the lowest common denominator. Television and radio should be structured.
Channel 1 aimed at IQ 0-60
Ch 2 60-90
Ch 3 90-110
Ch 4 110-130
Ch 5 130-150
Ch 6 150 +
I am not suggesting that we test the audience but rather we should be influencing the program makers.
I am sure that this would help the advertisers as well so they could target their adverts!
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16 Feb 2009
CoralBloom | Was that the aim of Channel 4 when it was first around? There is also a bit of a myth about intellect and income.
I would love to have decent stats on education level/IQ vs income and employment.
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16 Feb 2009
CoralBloom | Jericoa,
Genius!
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16 Feb 2009
OldNick666 | Post removed by a blog administrator!
Jericoa please send it to me by email. Click on my name to find the email address.
CoralBloom
Did the level/IQ mean divided by? What is the myth about intellect and income? Part of the curve seems to show an inverse relationship. My theories are probably off topic but I would be happy to discuss by email.
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16 Feb 2009
OldNick666 | I am addicted to television so like a reformed alcoholic who has no alcohol in the house, I have no television.
Television brainwashes so effectively that I continue to watch it despite the low and infuriating content. In fact, using a remote, I can watch several programmes at once because the information rate is so low. If I can be addicted, I can imagine how it happens to so many other people.
Brainwashing of prisoners to reform their behaviour is illegal because it infringes their human rights. Maybe brainwashing by television should be banned for the same reason.
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16 Feb 2009
CoralBloom | Life on Earth
The Blue Planet
The Private Life of Plants
The First Eden
etc etc
Couldn't live without them myself!
In a few weeks I'll tell you about my own adventures ala David!
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17 Feb 2009
Jericoa | Tv is definately heroin for the eyes. It encourages dis-engagement.
I have banned Tv from the home several times (not at the moment I might add). Whenever I have done it life has become richer once a short phase of withdrawel is over. Tv is ok in short doses but the great race for 'choice' as apositive thing now manifests itself as 100s of channels all competing to get our attension 24/7.
Personally I think choice is overrated as a virtue.
Jericoa
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20 Feb 2009
OldNick666 | Jericoa, you are not alone in your view of choice. See:-
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/barry_schwartz_on_the_paradox_of_choice.html
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20 Feb 2009
CoralBloom | I went to the states in the late '90s to work for a couple of years.
I had cable (the first month was free). At the end of the month I cancelled it because I didn't like it. The operator was stunned. The only thing worth watching was the (very educational) weather channel. I kid you not.
Oh, and the adverts during the Superbowl. They are an annual event, the anticipation of the public is something to relish, but not to be sneered at once you know just how awful their standard TV acting and script writing is even for drama.
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