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		<title>What do we actually want to do about it?</title>
		<link>http://www.lobbygroup.org/2009/02/14/what-do-we-actually-want-to-do-about-it/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>johnbray</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having followed all the discussions so far (admittedly mostly as an observer) I have to say that this is not that clear to me what the purpose of the Lobby Group actually IS. We need some convincing answers to the following: What difference will that make to anything? Will it make my job more secure? [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having followed all the discussions so far (admittedly mostly as an observer) I have to say that this is not that clear to me what the purpose of the Lobby Group actually <span style="font-weight: bold;">IS</span>.</p>
<p>We need some convincing answers to the following: What difference will that make to anything?  Will it make my job more secure?  Will it stop my house being re-posessed if I lose my job?  Will it stop my children &#8211; and theirs &#8211; being ripped off by the greedy people in positions of authority?  If so &#8211; how does  that work,  then?  Is it really so simple?  If not,  why should I get involved?</p>
<p>As I mentioned on a previous post I was once in PR and one of my functions was to put awkward questions to clients <span style="font-weight: bold;">before</span> they dealt with the media.  So please don&#8217;t take this as negativity on my part.</p>
<p>We also have the following suggestions/themes&#8221;:</p>
<p>&#8220;Re-organisation and genuine regulation of the banking system and public sector financial institutions&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Increased accountability and responsibility from elected officials and other persons of public office&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Investing and encouraging the re-growth of domestic industries, including but not limited to education in core skills in engineering, science and agriculture&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;A publicly honest appraisal of proposed policies detailing not only the advantages, but the disadvantages of a given policy proposal backed up by data.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Free from political influence/associations with political parties&#8221;.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have any objection to these but they all beg similar questions.  Most importantly &#8220;<span style="font-style: italic;">exactly what are we going to do to make this happen</span>?&#8221;  Chatting amongst ourselves won&#8217;t change anything,  will it?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a suggestion from me:</p>
<p>Big businesses will not change their ways unless forced to do so by the legal system.  The legal system is controlled by elected officials (local and national).  Elected officials are pretty much in the pockets of big business &#8211; there are some snouts in the trough.  They will not change their ways unless threatened with loss of access to the trough.  The only people who can deny this access are the electorate &#8211; but the elected officials are not really bothered about this because the electorate follow a fairly set voting pattern.  In a way it&#8217;s a divide and conquer methodology because you can only decide the outcome in your own constituency.  So why bother?</p>
<p>But what if someone in a very marginal constituency (the political party is irrelevant here) were seriously threatened with loss of access to the trough?  Would they be prepared to change their voting habits to keep the status quo?  Would they be prepared to ask the questions that their electorate wanted asking?  It might just be possible that if one person &#8211; the easy target &#8211; could be made to do this then it would encourage the others.  Otherwise they might be next!</p>
<p>We would then only have to convince a few hundred (or maybe a few thousand) people that what we are doing is right &#8211; and ask for their support in this.</p>
<p>Just an idea!</p>
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		<title>Who we are</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>johnbray</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[At the request of various members &#8230;. Would you all please post a comment about about yourself: background, political preferences (even if none of the above like me), what you would like to change in the UK etc. If in doubt let it all out &#8211; have a rant if it lets off steam! Even [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the request of various members &#8230;.</p>
<p>Would you all please post a comment about about yourself: background,  political preferences (even if none of the above like me),  what you would like to change in the UK etc.  If in doubt let it all out &#8211; have a rant if it lets off steam!  </p>
<p>Even tho who have put such info in other posts please do the same (just cut and paste it).  I will delete your previous versions once I see the duplicate on here,</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>What exactly is lobbying?</title>
		<link>http://www.lobbygroup.org/2009/02/02/what-exactly-is-lobbying/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>johnbray</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe we should discuss this first of all? My understanding is &#8220;affecting of &#8211; or attempting to affect &#8211; the actions/decisions of the public sector by the private sector&#8221;. Clumsy I know but it&#8217;s a starting point for discussion. The publication Lobbying: Access and influence in Whitehall by the House of Commons Public Administration Select [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we should discuss this first of all?  </p>
<p>My understanding is &#8220;affecting of &#8211; or attempting to affect &#8211; the actions/decisions of the public sector by the private sector&#8221;.  Clumsy I know but it&#8217;s a starting point for discussion.</p>
<p>The publication <a href="http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmselect/cmpubadm/36/36i.pdf">Lobbying: Access and influence in Whitehall</a> by the House of Commons Public Administration Select Committee (First Report of Session 2008–09) has some good insights on how things work at the moment.  It&#8217;s a bit heavy and 2.2MB download but if you can just read enough to get the gist of I think you should.</p>
<p>Economist Thomas Sowell defends corporate lobbying as &#8220;simply an example of a group having better knowledge of its interests than the people at large do of theirs.&#8221; (from Wikipedia)</p>
<p>So, people at large, are you happy with that?  my response is post62&#8242;s old moniker!</p>
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		<title>The pain in Spain</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>johnbray</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Friendlycard said&#8230;John: &#8220;Most of us, I think, are posting from the UK. We are very aware of the global nature of the economic crisis, but are also aware of UK-specific problems. Could you rate for us the magnitude of the economic problems being experienced by Spain &#8211; better than Britain, the same, worse?&#8220;February 1, 2009 [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friendlycard said&#8230;<br />John:</p>
<p>&#8220;<span style="font-style: italic;">Most of us, I think, are posting from the UK. We are very aware of the global nature of the economic crisis, but are also aware of UK-specific problems.</p>
<p>Could you rate for us the magnitude of the economic problems being experienced by Spain &#8211; better than Britain, the same, worse?</span>&#8220;<br />February 1, 2009 8:00 PM</p>
<p>I will try to answer this as best I can &#8211; but please bear in mind:</p>
<p>We have a couple of acres of land, our house &amp; 2 cars (all paid for). I do a few odd jobs for others with land and houses that aren&#8217;t always here (Spanish and English) but most of my days (weather permitting) are spent on the land.  So I am not <b>really</b> part of the typical economy.</p>
<p>What follows is only from my own experience.  It&#8217;s off the top of my head with no research. If anyone knows more about it I&#8217;d welcome the input.</p>
<p>We live 2km from the local village (population about 80) and about 8km from the nearest town with a population of around 2,000.  It is a very rural area where the older folk are still involved on the land but the young ones who got a chance to go to college/uni mostly never came back.  What remained of the young ladies seem mostly to have been lucky enough to find a husband in a city.  And the young men drifted towards construction.</p>
<p>Building has been the real driving force in this area along with tourism (a bit around this area will hill-walking, horse-riding &amp; mountain-biking but more touristy down on the costas).  And of course a lot of the building &#8211; whether on houses or hotels or on holidays themselves &#8211; has been financed by the housing/credit bubble in the UK.  With that gone there are many people unemployed and struggling now with no obvious way out of the situation.</p>
<p>I understand that the limit for unemployment benefit is 2 years and that a good many are already reaching that point.  There&#8217;s even the situation now where the young ex-builders are prepared to harvest olives and work the fields!  But they&#8217;d be lucky to get 50 euros a day doing that.  We used to have a good few Romanians building round these parts but most seem to have drifted back home.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think many people round here are too concerned about the Spanish banks.  They didn&#8217;t seem to get into such a mess (or weren&#8217;t allowed to).  In any case cash is king around here.  Apparently the vast majority of 500 euro notes in circulation are here in Spain.  The Spanish have a very serious distrust of large organisations.</p>
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		<title>The start</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 09:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>johnbray</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This blog was set up following a BBC blog comment by &#8220;Jericoa&#8221;: &#8220;29. At 12:31pm on 31 Jan 2009, Jericoa wrote: Tigerjay / somali pirate / alexander Curzon / Rahere / many others (you know who you are) Re starting a political party. A part of me would love to do that Cromwellian style and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This blog was set up following a BBC blog comment by &#8220;Jericoa&#8221;:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;29. At 12:31pm on 31 Jan 2009, Jericoa wrote:</p>
<p>Tigerjay / somali pirate / alexander Curzon / Rahere / many others (you know who you are)</p>
<p>Re starting a political party.</p>
<p>A part of me would love to do that Cromwellian style and shake up the establishment, hence my enthusiasm.</p>
<p>Somali pirate has a point though which does bring me back to earth.</p>
<p>The pragmatist engineer in me away from the idealist suggests a more measured course, an extension of what we are doing anyway by way of our and many others (you know who you are) regular contributions.</p>
<p>My suggestion is not a political party but a formalised lobby group.</p>
<p>There are many intelligent and more importantly experienced people here who are ahead of the curve and the media in terms of analysis of what is happening and what would be sensible to do next.</p>
<p>Time and time again I see posts here that are realised a few weeks or a month or two later, analysis that I do not see in the news.</p>
<p>I also get a sense sometimes that ideas expressed here seem to emerge from the mouths of politicians a few days later..probably just co-incidence / people thinking in similar ways but it would be nice to think otherwise.</p>
<p>Both politicians and media are hamstrung to see what we can see by their very nature, they are professional politicians and journalists. No undeserved disrespect to them but you have to be on the ground up to your armpits in grease to &#8216;feel&#8217; what is going on.</p>
<p>The politicians ambitions within fortress Westminster and the journalists &#8216;impartiality&#8217; detract from that required level of &#8216; grease up to your armpits&#8217; understanding.</p>
<p>A formal lobby group, a collection of &#8216;wise men and women if you will&#8217; should enable us collectively to do much more than we are currently trying to individually here, noble though that it, it is not very effective.</p>
<p>Although I would like to think we are making some kind of difference in a small way as we are, I am sure with a bit of organisation we could do more.</p>
<p>I have a full time job and I have my young family also, I don&#8217;t have much spare time beyond those commitments to do the &#8216;nuts and bolts&#8217; of creating a formal lobby group, otherwise I would.</p>
<p>I would hope somebody out there has different circumstances and is better placed to take that on.</p>
<p>It could be the cyber equivalent of the bohemian &#8216;cafe&#8217; culture of the early 1900&#8242;s.</p>
<p>We could meet up for real also, agree press releases of some description by consensus between us etc rather than spraying our views &#8216;machine gun&#8217; like all over the net. No doubt some of the bullets hit but one large precision guided weapon is usually much more effective in achieving its goals.</p>
<p>On a lighter note in order to get some publicity, modern society being what it is one of us would need to marry a premier league footballer or dress up as superman and hang from the hands of big ben or look good in a bikini / trunks or pretend we were deranged in some way and go onto big brother or hook up with Paris Hilton or Jordan in order to get general attention.</p>
<p>Anybody like to volunteer to be Paris Hilton&#8217;s new best friend for ITV? AC maybe.</p>
<p>I will post this on Paul Mason&#8217;s blog also, as shamefully, considering his insight comments are less cluttered there.</p>
<p>A volunteer who&#8217;s circumstances permit him / her to look into setting up a formal lobby group would be a good starting point a core of 2 or 3 people could then communicate &#8216;off blog&#8217; to get the ball rolling (there goes the engineer in me again).</p>
<p>Hope to correspond and maybe even see you all soon.</p>
<p>If we want to get a message out there (as we clearly do or we would not spend the time we do here) may as well do it more effectively don&#8217;t you think?</p>
<p>Just a suggestion.</p>
<p>Jericoa &#8220;</i></p>
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